| Don't give me anying about
africa because africa is a shithole
now but for the majority of history
it has been on top. emipres rise
and fall thats basic history
anyways.....'
african born blacks residing in
western countries, as a group
possess iqs that are between 5
points and a full standard
deviation (15 iq points) above that
of whites living in these countries
(see, gottfredson, 1998; ostrowsky,
1999; richardson, 2002; cross,
1994; williams, 2005) – this is
especially true for those living in
the united states and in the uk.
one may also expect to find,
according to much of the
corroborative literature that
relates iq with education,
approximately twice the number of
african born immigrants with iqs in
the 115 range, than among the
general white american population
(gottfredson, 1998; ostrowsky,
1999; williams, 2005), and
“more” than twice the number of
african immigrants in the 125 iq
range (gottfredson, 1998; the
journal of blacks in higher
education, 1999-2000)
rican-born blacks comprise about 16
percent of the u.s. foreign-born
black population (u.s. bureau of
the census, 2000), and are
“considerably” more educated
than other immigrants. the vast
majority of these immigrants come
from minority white countries in
east and west africa (e.g. kenya
and nigeria). while less than 2
percent originate from north or
south africa (cia world factbook,
2004; yearbook of immigration
statistics, 2003). in an analysis
of census bureau data by the
journal of blacks in higher
education, african immigrants to
the united states were found more
likely to be college educated than
any other immigrant group, which
included those from europe, north
america and asia (see also nisbett,
2002; u.s. bureau of the census,
2000). african immigrants have also
been shown to be more highly
educated than any native-born
ethnic group including white and
asian americans (logan & deane,
2003; williams, 2005; the
economist, 1996; arthur, 2000;
selassie, 1998; nisbett, 2002).
crawford-nutt (1976) found that
african black students enrolled in
westernized schools scored higher
on progressive matrix tests than
did american white students. the
study was meant to examine
perceptual/cultural differences
between groups, and demonstrated
that one’s performance on western
standardized tests correspond more
closely with the quality and style
of schooling that one receives more
so than other factors. it has been
argued, for example, that the forms
of recognition and reasoning found
on progressive matrixes tests are
exercised and maintained within a
western style educational
environment (ceci & williams,
1997; ceci, 1991; richardson, 2000,
2002), thus it is of little
surprise that a quality western
style education should produce
results such as these. buj (1981)
showed ghanaian adults in another
study to score higher on the same
supposedly ‘culture fair’
intelligence test, than did irish
adults; scores were 80 (ghanaian)
and 78 (irish), respectively.
shuttleworth-edwards et al (2004)
conducted a study with black south
africans between the ages of
19–30, which showed highly
significant effects for both level
and quality of education within
groups whose first language was an
indigenous black african language.
for example, black african first
language groups (as well as white
english speaking groups) with
advantaged education were
comparable with the us
standardization in iq test scores
(e.g. wais-iii).
in the united states, when matched
for iq with whites, american blacks
have been shown to demonstrate
superior “working memory”
(nijenhuis et al., 2004). this is
an interesting finding, as african
americans are typically taught by
less qualified teachers (e.g.
non-certified teachers and teachers
with limited experience) than their
white counterparts, and are
provided with less challenging
school work (hallinan 1994; diamond
et al., 2004; uhlenberg and brown
2004). in chicago, for example, the
vast majority of schools placed on
academic probation as part of the
district accountability efforts
were majority african-american and
low-income (diamond and spillane
2004). thus, it is somewhat
surprising that african americans
should outperform white americans
on any portion of a paper and
pencil test designed to mimic the
structures of western style
schooling (richardson, 2000,
2002).
I'm a 55 year old american.
I'm an engineer and have worked at several multinational companies. Though I risk sounding prejudicial myself, I have found that the British and the german engineers I have worked with maintain this air of superiority over americans in their attitudes. So if they feel this way about white americans , I could only imagine what they think of blacks, because most of what they have leaned about blacks is environmental.. what they see on tv and newspapers, which generally shows the worst.
I mean growing up for Watson , do you think he has had a large black encountering experience? Not his neighborhood, not his college, and not his laboratory. So his experience about blacks is tv and a few magazines
Not to mention that his country, england, was the staging ground for prior centuries in numerous piracies of other countries resources enforced at the end of a rifle or cannon barrel. So when your used to saying "we are superior to you, don't you think?", but you have a rifle to their head, it's pretty clear the response you'll get. England only cared about democracy after they got their empire smashed, but those former attitudes of superiority are alive and well in england. They have no facts behind them... but patriotism or nationalism tends to make people identify with their country as the best one because of this or that. (We americans aren't much better...most of us think we are better at just about everything than the rest of the world, but were smart enough not to brag about it other than the ignorant ranting of "this is the best place in the world to live" mantra.)
Like Watson you can say "we are smarter than you, tests show it" , but what tests, who is motivated to give the tests, and what exactly were they measuring.?
I agree with you about blacks also. In fact I've personally noticed a few of my friends who are teachers in the inner schools of Cleveland OH have black students that are much more teachable than their "white trash" students. My kids went to public schools and I myself noticed the incredible amount of dumb white students I met, with the lack of ambition or curiosity and an attraction to the "thug" mentality for some reason. Now this was a suburban public school and for some reason the blacks that went there never portrayed that thug image and took school far more seriously than the majority of whites I knew.
Here lies the problem, it hard to get decent measurements of kids learning ability because of how much changing an environment affects performance. The blacks in my good suburban school did as well or better than the average. But the expectations from the parents in the district for the most part, didn't tolerate failure.
Now when I first graduated from college, I lived in the inner city and I noticed nobody (at least the majority) really gave a crap about how the students did and in turn with no expectations along with rewarding below average accomplishments with higher than warranted grades, made complacency the norm at the school. Only the exceptional students-white or black- cared about school, but the other 90% also didn't give a crap.
Regarding Watson, I do believe he is an exceptionally bright man. I have the highest respect for scientists no matter where they come from. Science is far more about problem solving than problem making which is why I love this field and anybody that goes into it.
My negativity toward Watson is only the part of him that is so like so many other humans.... wanting to feel superior to others, dismissing ideas that aren't your own, and the big one..being a product of your environment that makes all those little prejudices. So I'm saying Watson is a great scientist....but he also harbors prejudices of the average man
Here also is what Watson said after an interview with the London Sunday Times:
[ After being quoted in The Sunday Times saying that he was “inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa” because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really”, Dr Watson added that he hoped everyone was equal, but that “people who have to deal with black employees find this is not true”.
Dr Watson arrived in Britain on Thursday ready to visit five different venues. That evening, he said he had been “mortified” by the response to the interview. “To all those who have drawn the inference from my words that Africa, as a continent, is somehow genetically inferior, I can only apologise unreservedly,” he said.
“That is not what I meant. More importantly, there is no scientific basis for such a belief.” He went on: “I cannot understand how I could have said what I am quoted as having said. I can certainly understand why people reading those words have reacted in the ways they have.”
Dr Watson has courted controversy before. Three years ago, he was reported as saying that a woman should have the right to abort her unborn child if tests could determine that it would be homosexual. He has also suggested a link between skin colour and sex drive, proposing a theory that black people have higher libidos, ad claimed that beauty could be genetically manufactured.
A number of scientists have dismissed Dr Watson’s comments. Craig Venter, the noted geneticist, said: “Skin colour as a surrogate for race is a social concept, not a scientific one. There is no basis in scientific fact or in the human genetic code for the notion that skin colour will be predictive of intelligence.”
Baroness Greenfield, the neuroscientist and director of the Royal Institution, said: “It is a great shame that someone as distinguished as James Watson should make such comments ] |