| I am from palestine. my family
lives there for almost 1000 years.
but i am not a palestinian. i am
arab. my native language is arabic,
my family came to palestine from
arabia, all our culture, traditions
and cuisine are arabic, my land of
origin is arabia.
what "palstinans", by
god?
palestinians are jews and israelis,
not arabs.and i am arab-and proud
of it.why should i pass for
something i am not?just to get a
couple of lousy bucks from
america?
ancient philstines were from greece
and creete, they spoke language
which was not semitic, they were
not semitic people,and they were
uncircumcised.
we the arabs conquered palestine,
it´s a fact nobody can´t deny.
and of course, we know it.we do not
recognize this when talking to jews
and people from the western
countries, but when we talk among
ourselves, it would not occur to
anybody to deny this fact if he
does not want to be mocked even by
women and children.
if the west stopped putting its
long nose in the middle east
problems and told honestly
":guys, settle you problems
with israel, they are the true
palestinians and you are arabs”
-we should have already had the
conflict settled. but the west, for
some unknown reason, thinks it
knows how to solve the conflict
between two middle eastern peoples
better than these two peoples, and
stubbornly tries to solve it with
its primitive straight western
logic. every time its plans
fail-but every time the west
invents something else,some idiotic
"road map","two
state solution",three-steps
initiative", "four-staged
solution"...
why don´t you want to leave us
alone? without your
"plans" and
"solutions" and without
your pseudo-humanistic help to
hamas and other terrorist groups to
whom you send hundreds of millions
dollars which do not reach the
common people but practically all
are directed to arms purchasing ,
and dozen of thousands of goods as
"humanitarian aid" which
these terrorist groups immediately
sell at the black market and again
direct the money they get to arms
purchasing - hamas would have
already ceased to exist, there
would be no money to buy rockets to
shoot on israelis, there would be
no counter-strikes by israelis -
and we should have already be
sitting at the negotiation table
with israel and should have already
found the solution.
stop support hamas and fatah, damn
you!your abstract pseudo-humanism
has the result of more very
concrete dead bodes on both sides,
and we the arabs lose 9 for every
single israeli we kill. this is
what your “help” costs us. we
understand that you are doing this
of good intentions. but do you
remember what is paved with good
intentions? correct, the road to
hell.doesn´t it seem strange to
you that we do not like you,inspite
of all your help and attempts to
solve the conflict?you think we are
ungrateful, right? no, we are not
ungrateful. simply your help costs
us too dear.
israel would be happy to stop the
conflict, she does not need land
because she simply has no people to
develop it. why, do you think,
israel did not occupy
syria in 1967 or 1973,but instead-a
winner-offered peace to the
defeated? because israel has quite
enough land for its small
population, and knows very well
that she will not hold more if she
occupies it.
don´t you have your own problems
to solve? looks like you have quit
a lot. so, solve the problems in
your house and let the people with
different mentality which you do
not understand solve the problems
in theirs.
gopri,you have my permission to do
with this letter all you wish.hope
it will help stop hte conflict.
best regards
samir
pyar,yu ask me questions i can not
answer.it´s your governments and
your countries.so,it should be you
who should know the way,not me.but
i think you should write a letter
to your congressman,or start the
campaign ,something like "stop
meddling in the problems which we
don´t understand"...i don´t
know.but what i do know is that if
you go on helping hamas and putting
your nose in our problems,it will
be worse both for us-and for
you.for us-because more arabs and
israelis will die.for you-because
we know very well due to whose
"peace efforts" we are
dying.
r.p,then b ,who asks you? to clean
up?you try to be good and
humanistic and ,this is why you run
to the middle east with your
"help" and
"plans" and
"iniatives".
hamas,hezbollah and fatah with
islamic jihad are just using you
like fools,taking your money and
laughing at you and cursing you
behind your back- and you
stubbornly try to prove to hamas
but before all to yourselves that
you are "good
guys","humanists",&q
uot;democrats" and "ready
to help to anyone".you are not
a noble knight,and hamas is not a
damsel in distress.you are
"helping" to solve the
conflict between us and israel for
more n 60 years.what is the
result?
do you know the classic deinition
of a fool?a fool is someone who
repeats the saee actions in the
same situation,hoping to get
different results.
haven´t you undersood yet that the
best you can do to solve the
conflict between israelis and arabs
is to stop any help to those whom
you yourselves call
terrorists?hamas is on your black
list,right?why the hell do you help
it
I agree with you. I am Jewish. I support Israel's existence. I want to see peace.
I agree that you are Arab, not Palestinian. That's an obvious to anyone who looks at the region's history for real.
I agree that much of the pushing from the US & also in the past from USSR, makes messes that aren't possible to clean up. (Edit - & from Europe.)
I'm not convinced that without the US, there would have been peace there. The Arabs haven't wanted it, at least their leadership hasn't...then uses the people in the process to keep it away.
However, I too can count ways in which Israel said "we really don't want to be pressured to do xxxx" & they eventually caved out of no choice, & now the region is stuck with rotten consequences. Israel didn't want Hamas in the elections platform. I don't know who thought elevating Arafat, instead of using patience to get moderates protected & in charge, was such a good idea. In retrospect, I cry for that move everytime I see a death. I now I have more respect for people in my life who said, the Olso roadmap was just asking for it. I can go on of course.
I will say, I see very little on the street support for real peace from the Arab side. I'd hope that is something you can work on from your position. Obviously, I'd be open to learning more for real. When I roamed PA websites & chatted with people, my fears of hostility & endless progaganda even to their own readers, seemed well founded. To get past that level of understanding is very hard from a distant location. I tried while there to talk with people, but couldn't get as much as I'd like & what I could, did reconfirm my perceptions (which don't match black & white media views.)
Something important to keep in mind, is that Bush is an idiot on foreign policy & many Americans reached that conclusion a lot time ago. (Well, many reached that conclusion on EVERYthing he touches, but others do like his "conservative values.") We've been sitting here, just waiting for a chance to move onto the next president. While he won by a nick in the 2004 election, it was after that, when his colors shown with Katrina. Till then American's, some, were giving him benefit of the doubt that we couldn't tell what was going on. When he failed as miserably on American soil with American reporters with full access, he couldn't fool us any longer. So, please do not take 8 years of Bush policy as reflective of American intelligence. It wasn't.
On the US's involvement, folks seem to not notice how it started was in the 50's cold war with USSR, the Middle East was one of the playgrounds for that conflict. Those groundworks has a lot to do with various situations now... policies still used that are archane, & the Arab & Iranian resentments that are still fueling issues.
So, as I've gotten older, wiser, & more studied in the situation, I agree. Too much of the world sticks it's nose in, & does damage. As I said earlier, I'm not sure the Arab population at this point has much support for peace, not a critical mass of it. I do know the PA Arabs (Arabs in the terroritories) aren't the same in their thinking, as the street in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc. Because it's YOUR lives, you've got more interest in resolution, & more direct knowledge of what is & isn't going on.
I know there are complaints from PA leaders of the US NOT paying attention. So, once again, it's not as easy as ignoring it & I'm not sure if the US wasn't there or someone, that Israel would still exist.
So my question to you becomes, how do we harness this to make a difference? That's not a simple question. I want you to know, there are others on this side of the fence that get it & would work for it in the same framework as you. Also, I am far from being alone. There are certainly Israeli conversations along the same lines. And I'm in the US, & some conversations here in the same way.
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I'd agree with Lupines on this. It isn't true that it always referred to both. It referred to Jews. The Arabs called themselves, Arabs. The Palestinian Arabs weren't referred that way outside of their own internal identifying who was who in the Arab world (by regional association with Syria), & would have minded being called Palestinian.
To the asker
Can I suggest saving this whole page to your harddrive. Yahoo Answers has an annoying habit of deleting perfectly valid questions. I've saved it myself.
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You make a good point. The answer is, Israel would be willing to pay, some PA Arabs would be willing to leave (enough to make it worthwhile). The obstacle is other Arab & Muslim countries that they'd like to move to - won't accept them. When Eygpt had Gaza they held the refugees at gun point in the camps. In Lebanon they haven't been allowed to integrate into society & are not allowed certain jobs (anything upwardly mobile). Jordan was attacked by the PLO & is relucant to get involved. The idea is to keep the PA Arabs there & miserable to better attack Israel with PR. There is some more recent movement in Israel & even US (foreign policy makers) to find more creative solutions like this & with Iran a threat to many ME Arab countries, there's more leverage now. (They see Iran going nuclear as a serious threat to them.) |
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